Mark was in studio, Matt was in Tulsa and the guest, Carl Jocumsen was live from Tennessee. The Elite Series pro talks about his time off but, the focus of this interview was on swimbaits and glide baits. It's not just a California thing or an open water thing. This is a very cool show with Carl breaking down so much on his glide bait. Plus, the KVD Lake Fork story is now.....what just happened?